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Post by scansy on Nov 15, 2009 11:01:08 GMT -5
How many of you guys/gals use bare hands when handling traps and making sets on land? Why/why not?
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Post by Sunshine on Nov 15, 2009 11:57:23 GMT -5
i do.
thats how i caught both coyotes and the grey the other night as well as some possum and raccoon.
why? cause im lucky enough to trap with Jerry and hes like a walkin trapping guide and has caught literally 1000s of canines over the years hes been traapping,setting them bare handed.
he believes that the scent factor is over rated and after seeing pics of his catches from the past and catching my own , though limited that way, i gotta agree with him.
would he catch more using gloves? whose to say but ive seen fiorsthand you can catch a canines, raccons and possum on land setting traps barehanded..
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Post by scansy on Nov 15, 2009 19:03:04 GMT -5
The reason I asked is that I read something somewhere that scent on a trap from bare hands is not a problem, but if you get bait/lure on it you will get digging. Also, it said not to use a trap that had caught an animal at a "clean" location. This all assumes a properly bedded trap of course.
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Post by BlueRidgeTrapper on Nov 16, 2009 5:16:15 GMT -5
I've caught them both way...but I use cheapo cotton gloves
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Post by scansy on Nov 16, 2009 6:34:36 GMT -5
Do you use different gloves for handling bait/lure? Or bare hands for that and gloves for traps?
Seems to me if you get bait/lure on the trap it could lead to digging? (Assuming the trap is bedded properly and it's not loose in the bed.)
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Post by BlueRidgeTrapper on Nov 16, 2009 6:38:47 GMT -5
I take them off to lure and bait...I think we give them too much credit, most of the smell is down the hole so I think they're more concerned about that anyways. Charlie Dobbins always wiped his bait fork beside his sets.
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Post by foxman on Nov 16, 2009 9:42:20 GMT -5
I wear gloves and when I lure the sets I changes my gloves. I think k-9's have good noses it's what keep them alive and helps bring them to your set. I know trapper that set in cold weather without gloves but I don't think that they catch enough to make it right. Plus it's not always cold when your setting traps. When you are handling lure and traps with the same gloves your asking for problems. When I'm teaching someone how to trap K-9 I tell them to wear gloves and change the gloves when luring the set and I don't think you can go wrong there. As far as having bait beside the set is one thing but it's a hole lot different when it's in the trap bed or on the trap.
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Post by offshoretrash on Nov 16, 2009 14:48:24 GMT -5
i do. thats how i caught both coyotes and the grey the other night as well as some possum and raccoon. why? cause im lucky enough to trap with Jerry and hes like a walkin trapping guide and has caught literally 1000s of canines over the years hes been traapping,setting them bare handed. he believes that the scent factor is over rated and after seeing pics of his catches from the past and catching my own , though limited that way, i gotta agree with him. would he catch more using gloves? whose to say but ive seen fiorsthand you can catch a canines, raccons and possum on land setting traps barehanded.. I agree, using bare hands do not scare away the critters but I do use gloves to protect my hands and I remove them when I apply lure.
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Post by hawkeye on Nov 17, 2009 2:36:04 GMT -5
I wear gloves to keep my hands warm. That's it. Trying to do anything wearing heavy gloves is like ............. Now c'mon hawk! I agree with you , but I don't think you can say that around here.
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Post by plankton on Nov 17, 2009 15:57:26 GMT -5
Here in Pa. I believe you need to do every little thing right. There are so many trappers here. It just puts you up on the comp a little more then the rest. Yes, you can catch a coyote without gloves. But I believe you might catch more if you use them. SO I DO
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Post by hawkeye on Nov 17, 2009 16:58:24 GMT -5
Gee Scansy, I guess you haven't seen some of the posts on the Funnies or some of the other threads around here. What I said was actually quite mild compared to some of the things I've seen other moderators post.
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Post by scansy on Nov 17, 2009 20:26:53 GMT -5
LOL - I think I've said worse around here. I just figured it was not so much implied and more descriptive. Or maybe I was beeing a butt.
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Post by hawkeye on Nov 18, 2009 14:05:05 GMT -5
Bottom joke, SALTY, on the funnies page is descriptive, too. Nobody bothered to delete it!
Look, if what I said was that vulgar I apologize and will start vigorously deleting things I feel are not suitable!
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Post by scansy on Nov 18, 2009 19:18:24 GMT -5
Wow, I just went back and read Salty. That's pretty bad too......
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Post by hawkeye on Nov 18, 2009 19:28:09 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's funnier than, well, something that's really funny!
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Post by scansy on Nov 18, 2009 21:42:12 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really funny. Unless of course it's your daughter!
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Post by hawkeye on Nov 18, 2009 23:54:10 GMT -5
Very few jokes would be funny if they were true. Except for the blond jokes.
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Post by foxman on Nov 20, 2009 20:12:25 GMT -5
I really don't know any top K-9 trapper that don't wear gloves
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Post by iafftrapper on Nov 20, 2009 20:32:26 GMT -5
I use gloves for setting. No need the get the animal Copenhagen addicted also ;D
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Post by trappinghound on Nov 20, 2009 20:39:19 GMT -5
I was just wondering, how many of you were trapping in the hay days of the late 70's early 80's? I can tell you one thing you had better do everything perfect or you could catch a cold then. Fox back then were very hard to catch and a digger was a ghost in the darkness. Today we have many fox that doesn't know anything about a trap but if they ever go back to 60 to 100 buck it won't take long to separate the trappers from the want to be's
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Post by wheelers on Nov 22, 2009 7:01:33 GMT -5
I agree with OST and do it that way also.
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Post by offshoretrash on Nov 22, 2009 19:35:21 GMT -5
I was just wondering, how many of you were trapping in the hay days of the late 70's early 80's? I can tell you one thing you had better do everything perfect or you could catch a cold then. Fox back then were very hard to catch and a digger was a ghost in the darkness. Today we have many fox that doesn't know anything about a trap but if they ever go back to 60 to 100 buck it won't take long to separate the trappers from the want to be's That maybe true for back then but where I trap there are very few animals that have even seen a trap much less trapping pressure. If I ever run in to any I would really clean up my act. I'll tell you a story about a set i made. I set a couple sets for coyotes at a very good location and as I was finishing the last one sweat dripped off my head and landed right in the middle of the set right on top of where the pan was. I thought there is no way I'll catch anything there till after a rain or a couple days. The next morning there was a large male waiting on in that set. The more I trap the more I learn if you are on location and use lure they like and pee that is good, more time than not you are gonna catch'em.
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Post by rszwieg on Nov 22, 2009 23:53:55 GMT -5
One of my cousins trains police dogs and told me that dogs can't detect scent on nonporous objects that have been handled by humans after a few hours. Dogs can smell scent on vegetation for days afterward. Skin particles are much of what makes that scent I'm thinking.
I still wear gloves.
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Post by trappinghound on Nov 23, 2009 19:51:57 GMT -5
OST I will agree with you, BUT I don't mesure a trapper by his catch, rather by what he misses. That's why 10% of the trapper catch 90% of the fur.
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Post by Sunshine on Nov 29, 2009 16:28:32 GMT -5
I really don't know any top K-9 trapper that don't wear gloves i know of a fox trapper and a coyote trapper that both catch in the 100s of animalseach in a season barehanded. they dont announce it though cause people have an irrational fear of human scent and wouldnt believe him, lol. they both wear brown cotton gloves when applying lure.
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Post by hawkeye on Nov 30, 2009 0:43:38 GMT -5
I was just wondering, how many of you were trapping in the hay days of the late 70's early 80's? I can tell you one thing you had better do everything perfect or you could catch a cold then. Fox back then were very hard to catch and a digger was a ghost in the darkness. Today we have many fox that doesn't know anything about a trap but if they ever go back to 60 to 100 buck it won't take long to separate the trappers from the want to be's In the 60s and eaqrly 70s I was watching my grandpa catch 15 to 20 coyotes a day. If he wore gloves it was because it was a cold day, and his gloves were usually dirty old cotton work gloves. He didn't worry about odor or the right lure, he worried about where the coyotes were and where they would be. LOCATION! OST I will agree with you, BUT I don't mesure a trapper by his catch, rather by what he misses. That's why 10% of the trapper catch 90% of the fur. How do you know how many he missed?
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Post by Sunshine on Dec 1, 2009 13:54:15 GMT -5
How do you know how many he missed?
excellent question Hawk. i was wondering the same thing.
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Post by foxman on Dec 2, 2009 18:22:42 GMT -5
Here's how I figure my misses tracks on the set and no animal in the trap. I'm not knocking anybody for not wearing gloves but if your sets are all stunk up you really can not figure your misses because a lot of the K-9's are not working the sets. At far as catching coons and possums anybody can do that but if you would clean it up you would probably start catching a whole lot more foxes and coyotes. Just my thoughts
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Post by hawkeye on Dec 2, 2009 21:09:01 GMT -5
Instead of wearing gloves I oftern take a handful of dirt and rub it on my hands, then wipe them with a handful of grass. Probably more effective than gloves.
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Post by foxman on Dec 3, 2009 9:26:11 GMT -5
A lot faster and better just to put gloves on.
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