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Post by Sunshine on May 1, 2011 20:51:59 GMT -5
who would you like to see running for President?
if you could choose any candidate who would make up your "dream team?"
who would you like to see on the Republican ticket...for Pres and VP?
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Post by haus on May 1, 2011 21:52:45 GMT -5
Colin Powel
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Post by hawkeye on May 1, 2011 22:16:10 GMT -5
Colin Powell is as much a Republican as I am a rock musician.
Unlike the Democrats, we don't have a perfect candidate that we can call the messiah. All of them have flaws, so there is no dream team for the Republicans.
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Post by haus on May 1, 2011 22:35:42 GMT -5
I didn't know you played rock music!
I agree with you about a perfect candidate. What they say during their campaign is not what happens when they get to office.
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Post by trapper7 on May 2, 2011 10:59:52 GMT -5
"what they say during their campaign is not what happens when they get to office." Obama's proof of that statement!
I don't consider myself necessarily a republican, but more a right wing conservative. I have voted for some democrats who had similar values as mine.
It's too early to tell right now who I would like to see run. I can eliminate Donald Trump mainly because I don't trust him on the issues.
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Post by haus on May 2, 2011 18:58:00 GMT -5
He doesn't have time to run, he just likes attention. I liked how trump took such pride in getting obama to release his BC and during the interview said he was busy with the #1 show on whatever station. Obama's announcement interupted the last half of trump's show, LOL. That was a nice touch, I thought.
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Post by trapper7 on May 3, 2011 13:26:54 GMT -5
You watch Trump's show? I think I watched it once for about 5 minutes and thought it was stupid. About as exciting as that show where they were voting people off an island or wherever they were. Talk about boring!
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Post by Sunshine on May 3, 2011 14:31:46 GMT -5
you see where the apprentice got cut off right when Trump was gettin ready to start his speal? by Obama announcing that Bin Laden was dead? talk about stealin the guys thunder, LOL
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Post by hawkeye on May 3, 2011 15:14:35 GMT -5
No, Sunshine, I didn't. I don't watch Apprentice and I am surprised you do.
As far as stealing thunder, Obama didn't steal any thunder, the SEALs that followed Bush's original orders to get Bin Laden dead or alive, no matter how long it takes, stole his thunder, Obama just announced it.
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Post by haus on May 3, 2011 21:56:56 GMT -5
Was briefed, approved it, watched it happen, announced it. There, I added the steps you missed.
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Post by trapper7 on May 4, 2011 11:50:22 GMT -5
Nope, I have to give Obama more credit than that, Hawkeye. It took guts to make the decisions he had to make. I didn't think he had it in him. I was wrong.
I give Bush credit for putting some of the intelligence in place that made this all possible. Obama even acknowledged this. But, it was Obama that had to deal with it when it came to a head and he performed well.
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Post by japflapper on May 20, 2011 20:56:45 GMT -5
Allen West for president, Marco Rubio for VP.
Id be happy then, plus O's groupy's wouldn't be able to pull the race card every other day as West is actually a black man, not a muslim running around pretending to be one!
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Post by backwoodsman on Jun 2, 2011 15:23:27 GMT -5
My dream team. John Wayne and Mr. Heston.
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Post by shilo on Jun 2, 2011 16:11:35 GMT -5
Condelezza Rice, Huckabee, Palin
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Post by hawkeye on Jun 2, 2011 17:21:40 GMT -5
Nope, I have to give Obama more credit than that, Hawkeye. It took guts to make the decisions he had to make. I didn't think he had it in him. I was wrong. I give Bush credit for putting some of the intelligence in place that made this all possible. Obama even acknowledged this. But, it was Obama that had to deal with it when it came to a head and he performed well. I think your credit is misplaced, instead of giving credit to Obama, give it to Leon Panetta. If you are skeptical about this article, then I urge you to google Valerie Jarret and check out her muslim ties. Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event.
Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.
I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.
Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.
What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole dang operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.
This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.
In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.Valerie Jarret is probably mourning the death of Bin Laden.
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Post by hawkeye on Jun 4, 2011 0:50:35 GMT -5
And the Obama people got very very silent.
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Post by hawkeye on Jun 4, 2011 2:16:02 GMT -5
Ever notice how seldom the Obama people and the liberals post on this forum when there is something like the above post they should respond to?
Haus will probably be surfing the internet for the next few days!!
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Post by haus on Jun 6, 2011 16:47:46 GMT -5
Actually I looked at that and thought, dang thats a lot to read, and skipped it.
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Post by trapper7 on Jun 7, 2011 15:33:17 GMT -5
I've read the entire article. I didn't check its truthfulness out with Snopes or Truth or Fiction, did you?
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Post by hawkeye on Jun 9, 2011 12:15:17 GMT -5
Actually I looked at that and thought, dang thats a lot to read, and skipped it. That's why I highlighted some parts for you, I know what the attention span of the average liberal is.
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Post by hawkeye on Jun 9, 2011 12:19:07 GMT -5
I've read the entire article. I didn't check its truthfulness out with Snopes or Truth or Fiction, did you? Nothing that confirms or denies. Since it is an interview concerning classified information it would be hard to verify. As I stated in the post, google Valerie Jerret and it will be a lot more credible.
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Post by backwoodsman on Jun 17, 2011 14:26:05 GMT -5
Most liberals dont care for the truth. They prefer their own version and dont have time for anyone else's opinion or conversation since we're all too dumb to know whats good for us so they'll just decide for us and skip all the middlemen and problems. If the American people dont wake up then they better buy a kneeling cloth and find out what direction Mecca is!
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Post by trapper7 on Jun 21, 2011 11:44:06 GMT -5
It works that way on a state level too. In polls regarding state-run casino gaming 75 to nearly 80% of the those polls and this is consistent in every poll, are in favor of this. Yet, it never passes because the democrats constantly fight it and shoot it down. This another example of liberals ignoring their constituents and doing what they consider to be best for them. We are ignorant idiots who need someone with higher intelligence to decide what's best for us.
On the other hand, the majority of republicans vote in favor of it because it's what the people want. One republican representative told me she didn't know that she necessarily agreed with the state getting involved in casino gaming, but almost all her constituents want it, so that's how she would vote. Quite a different attitude from the liberal democrats in our legislature.
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Post by hawkeye on Jun 21, 2011 15:19:54 GMT -5
It works that way on a state level too. In polls regarding state-run casino gaming 75 to nearly 80% of the those polls and this is consistent in every poll, are in favor of this. Yet, it never passes because the democrats constantly fight it and shoot it down. This another example of liberals ignoring their constituents and doing what they consider to be best for them. We are ignorant idiots who need someone with higher intelligence to decide what's best for us. On the other hand, the majority of republicans vote in favor of it because it's what the people want. One republican representative told me she didn't know that she necessarily agreed with the state getting involved in casino gaming, but almost all her constituents want it, so that's how she would vote. Quite a different attitude from the liberal democrats in our legislature. Liberals always talk about creating jobs when they are campaigning, but that is the last thing they want to do. Casinos create jobs and liberals do not want people working. If you have people dependent on government it is easier for government to control them.
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Post by offshoretrash on Jun 21, 2011 18:46:22 GMT -5
Condelezza Rice, Huckabee, Palin I would love to see Rice run I would vote for her in a heart beat. I also like Trump I think he could turn this country around in a short time plus he is not a life long politician.
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