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Post by scansy on Jan 10, 2009 10:21:22 GMT -5
I had a flat set that had a trap snapped and chain extended this morning. There was fox fur in the trap. I'm pretty sure I had a roller. So what causes this - I'm guessing a contaminated trap? The set was a flat set with a gland lure under the backing and urine on the backing.
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Post by BlueRidgeTrapper on Jan 10, 2009 10:46:49 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of explanantions but most of 'em say that a fox is like your dog...when he smells something interesting it's time to play in it so he rolls. The explanation that made MORE sense to me was that an animal will roll in a smell to mask his own scent for hunting pruposes.
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Post by huckleberry on Jan 10, 2009 18:17:32 GMT -5
This has been asked since the first trap was layed........many answers can be found...or ideas and thoughts I should say.
What I have found...and this is only from my personal observations....is to much lure or to loud of a lure cases it more than any other one thing. Just a tad to much LDC lure when it is not needed....... I can almost always figure on a roller if the set gets visited. I use what I call a cold weather LDC lure....Lenons to be precise. Every year when the weather demands me to got to it I tell myself to take it easy on the amount.....never fails i will use to much ....when I do.......... sure enough.............a roller.
Now as to the why of it? I have no clue. I was told by Ace to make some mock DH's in the yard and watch my dogs reaction to it. It is not like it has to weighed or anything....but when ya hit the limit.....they roll all over it. Not only this lure...but any decent lure I have ever used really. It is just easier to over do with a good LDC lure.
In the minds of the more knowledgeable....I get told that something in a particular lure ....or bait.....can trigger the instinct for the animal to roll in it. Either to cover that odor...or to get it on them as a camo for themselves. I would lean to the first myself.
Hope this gets some good hits on it. I enjoy hearing what others think on the subject.
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Post by tctrppr on Jan 11, 2009 8:17:54 GMT -5
FWIW, I think there are two kinds of rolling. If you use too much loud or rank-smelling lure, canids, wild or domestic, naturally want to roll in it. Just watch a dog around a stinky carcass.
But, and I'm going out on a limb here, I believe castor and some other sweet ingredients stimulate a roll-rub response. If you think about it, on a rub or projection-type set, the idea is to get the animal to chin or shoulder-rub the lure holder,(above the trap) thus causing him to step on the trap. If you use a strong castor-based, or "sweet" lure down a hole, the animal tries to chin or shoulder-rub the odor, but it's under the ground, so he has to get down on the ground to rub it, thus "rolling" around on the trap bed, and springing the trap with it's back or shoulder. JMHO, others may differ. But both stinky and pleasant can, I believe, trigger a roll/rub response.
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Post by samuelhasguns on Jan 11, 2009 10:01:13 GMT -5
To loud of a lure is the biggest problem. imo. Second would be, people not applying the lure in the hole deep enough.
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Post by williambevels on Feb 18, 2010 16:27:55 GMT -5
ingredents that can cause canine rolling.castor,skunk essence,civet musk ,catnip butterscotch oil,and cinamon are a few. the main key thing to remember if it's LOUD rather its a foul odor or a LOUD sweet odor it will cause a rolling reaction in canines when to much is used or they shy from the set until it cools down.
for a example
take butterscotch oil it's a coursity agent to canines as well as coon but when to much is used they roll in it.i was working with this as a coon lure and a bait and it worked great for grey fox and coon but when i added to much to my formula the canines rolled all over it .i then research my ingredent and my base as i was using a rotten meat base liquid,i changed the base to a fruit paste and what i end up with was my top saling bait and lure.with the loud odor of the meat and the loud odor of the butterscotch was to much by it's self which in returned goofed up my two formulas.
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Post by backwoodsman on Jun 8, 2010 12:09:31 GMT -5
Rooten meat, fish and skunk essence produce most of our rollers. Weve caught several fox and yotes over thet years by the "knee" and I think they were leaning down to roll/rub at the hole like a few said here. Too much of our tar bait and rolling can be an issue. Lima bean size lure drop if pure, diluted with glycerine etc maybe double that. For us bait depends on the strength/ingredients but 1/2 teaspoon to one tablespoon is plenty. Most manufacturers recommend/want you to use more so you'll buy more. With tar bait two small marble sized chunks is plenty. Even less if your using it along with a lure.
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Post by williambevels on Aug 2, 2010 15:53:34 GMT -5
backwoodsman i feel hit it dead on the money many times to much bait or lure is your problem
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