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Post by hawkeye on Apr 29, 2011 1:44:40 GMT -5
Do you honestly believe that after a couple of years of being President of the US he couldn't produce a birth certificate? After 2 years as president and Elena Kegan on the Supreme Court he should be able to produce a birth certificate to prove he was born in any one of the 57 states.
What a sham!
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Post by trapper7 on Apr 29, 2011 9:59:49 GMT -5
The Obama people, the liberal media, and Obama himself are saying this is such a trivial matter that is just wasting time when we should be concentrating on more important matters.
I guess challenging Bush's military records, the college he went to, and his grades wasn't trivial according to these same liberals. These same people who are complaining wasted a lot of time on those items.
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Post by hawkeye on Apr 29, 2011 10:42:04 GMT -5
And the same people that challenged Bush's military service said military service didn't matter when Clinton was campaigning and gave a free ride to Kerry when it was proven that he lied about his.
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Post by trapper7 on Apr 29, 2011 11:55:52 GMT -5
Yup. If anybody had a shady military past, it was Clinton. He lied to keep out of the military and knew a few of the right people. But, when some of this was brought up, the liberals downplayed it saying it wasn't important enough to mention.
Just like they said his affairs during his presidency had no relevance on his performance as a president.
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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 29, 2011 18:39:45 GMT -5
I guess I'm an "Obama person"
I agree it's weird that he didn't provide his birth certificate for two years. Obviously this wouldn't be something that hard to fake, so he could have done it earlier if he needed to.
Maybe he didn't do it since the president isn't responsible to ask, "how high?" every time parts of the public say, "jump."
That said I wish it would have come out way sooner so this wouldn't have become such a big issue. Maybe it took that long to find it? I don't know where my birth certificate is.
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Post by hawkeye on Apr 29, 2011 20:26:41 GMT -5
Maybe he didn't do it since the president isn't responsible to ask, "how high?" every time parts of the public say, "jump." As a mater of fact, he is, Pat, since one of the qualifications to be President is that you have to be born in the United States he is required to prove that he is LEGALLY qualified.
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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 29, 2011 20:40:09 GMT -5
Well now we have his birth certificate.
Maybe Obama is a lurker on this forum and he's entertained by all the birthers but figures this has been just about enough.........
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Post by hawkeye on Apr 29, 2011 21:04:04 GMT -5
Well now we have his birth certificate. Do we? I know you believe every word that falls out of his mouth, but I have heard too many Obama lies to bet money that is his birth certificate.
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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 29, 2011 21:23:32 GMT -5
OK, here's how I see it.
Every birther in the nation can pregnant dog, whine, complain, and moan as much as they want about how Obama wasn't born in the US, he's still the president.
He's still going to get the democratic nomination, going to run for re-election and regardless of what the polls say it's not a 0% chance that he'll win.
Maybe he is US born, maybe he isn't. Your concern is valid but it's too late and there isn't anything that's going to be done about it.
This is just like the Gore/Bush bologna that occurred in Florida. I think a lot of shady stuff went on and maybe Gore did win. But that's the way the cookie crumbled and Bush became president.
But that didn't stop "liberals" from bitching about it for four years. Conservatives are doing the same thing now with this.
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Post by haus on May 1, 2011 10:47:13 GMT -5
Trusting your government officials(both parties) is like leaving your kid with a stranger. We are not suppose to know the truth, rather pay taxes and once we get past working age, die as quickly as possible. No different than the electric power plants from the "Matrix." Only difference is that we supply taxes rather than electricity.
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Post by hawkeye on May 1, 2011 11:30:22 GMT -5
What you say makes sense, Haus, but only to a point. The government has created a whole new industry to take care of senior citizens creating more and more public service jobs.
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Post by haus on May 1, 2011 19:24:50 GMT -5
Medicare was solvent for the forseable future. Bush decided to push for a prescription drug program which has quickly done away with any surplus. Now it is going to be disolved as quickly as the Social Security trust fund. With the balanced budget they plan to push back when you can draw and also cut medicare benefits. I am not sure they are in the senior citizen business. More like if its not broke, lets brake it. Congrats seniors, you got discount drugs for a few years but in return you will eventually lose the healthcare plan you had.
I'm not sure which public service jobs you are talking about. Most nursing homes are run by private business. If funding is reduced enough then I agree you may see the creation of state or government run homes, since private companies could not make a profit.
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Post by Sunshine on May 1, 2011 20:49:59 GMT -5
Well now we have his birth certificate. Do we? I know you believe every word that falls out of his mouth, but I have heard too many Obama lies to bet money that is his birth certificate. if it wasnt thered be some conservative out there trying to prove it. its awful funnny how theyre quiet now.
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Post by hawkeye on May 1, 2011 21:08:50 GMT -5
I don't see them being that quiet. I've heard several conservatives on talk radio question the authenticity of this document. In fact, very few people are being quiet about it. Only the liberal mainstream media isn't mentioning that.
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Post by trapper7 on May 2, 2011 11:14:10 GMT -5
Conservatives aren't weren't the only ones concerned about Obama's origin of birth. In the presidential primaries, Hillary Clinton supporters were concerned too. They felt Obama should prove his place of birth, which he never did.
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Post by huckleberry on May 2, 2011 13:48:19 GMT -5
He knowed if he proved where he was born he COULDN"T hold office.
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Post by haus on May 2, 2011 18:51:13 GMT -5
Now that right there is funny huck. Bush's brother controlled Florida's vote count also. Conspiracys work for both sides.
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Post by Sunshine on May 3, 2011 18:28:00 GMT -5
i guess you can see now why Obama wasnt worried about the idiots who keep trying to claim he wasnt born in the US.he had more important matters to deal with.......... frankly right now i dont care where he was born...he gave the order to kill Bin Laden, wherever he was born( i say hawaii,lol) and for that im grateful!
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Post by hawkeye on May 3, 2011 20:37:35 GMT -5
You seem to be forgetting that Bush gave the order to kill Osama. Obama said he was going to close Gitmo and stop waterboarding, the very policy that made it possible to find and stop Osama.
Obama had no choice but to give permission, if he had refused it would have been political suicide.
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Post by haus on May 3, 2011 21:51:53 GMT -5
Rumsfeld said tonight on Fox the waterboarding was only used on 3 people. Conducted by the CIA and it was not at Gitmo.
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Post by japflapper on May 20, 2011 22:13:03 GMT -5
Yea he had more important matter's to tend to, destroying the healthcare industry, buying out GM, telling the investor's to go jump off a cliff they weren't getting a dime, the union was! Putting two of the worst qualified people he could find on the supreme court, filling all other position's in gov. with the most far left fringe fools he could dig up, putting a tax cheat in charge of the IRS, a trillion dollars blown to stimulate his green energy buddys GE and gang.
Cash for Clunkers to blow more billions, billions to his old employer ACORN so they can set up shops for pimps to bring their under age illegal alien hookers for free check up's, shut down all oil drilling in the country, put in new regulation's to kill off other energy source's, couldn't get tax and cap so turned that dirty business over to the EPA to get around congress.
Drove up our national debt past the debt limit, most money ever spent by one president and he did it in only 2 years, another historical feat.
Insulted the british right off the bat, shut down interrogating terrorist, now they have to read them their rights as bullets fly around their heads on the battle field, attempted to bring the 9/11 mastermind back to new york to stand trial rather than face a military trial as if he was nothing more than a common pick pocket picked up in central park.
And on and on it goes but im tired of typing, but YES he had ALOT more important business to do than provide a fake birth certificate!
Hope your thankful for all that as well as 4 dollar a gallon gas!
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