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Post by haus on Aug 16, 2011 21:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by bluesman on Aug 17, 2011 14:31:02 GMT -5
Katrina taught me how vulernable we are and that WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH REFINERYS! Now that things are back to normal it's like that never happened, which is stupid to me! A terrorist attact on our oil supply's or refinery's could bring the whole country to it's knee's in a matter of days!
As for cost, our problem now isn't a lack of supply of oil but a devalued dollar, nothing is going to fix that, gas will remain high from now on until our gov. reins in spending and get's our dollar value back up. Then drill baby drill could drive price's lower.
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Post by trapper7 on Aug 17, 2011 16:20:19 GMT -5
When we are selling our oil to Canada to be refined, then buying it back, you can't tell me gas won't be cheaper if we don't. That's what more refineries and more drilling will do for us. We are eliminating the middleman.
Look at fur. If you flood the market with coon, the price drops. But, when there is a shortage, the price goes up. Oil isn't that much different.
By saying we are going let the rest of the world run out of oil, then they will have to rely on us is the same, typical democrat response I get from my elk hunting friend when he can't come up with a reasonable answer. The other answer he gives is that it will take 10 years to build a refinery. Maybe so, but they said that 10 years ago too. So, when do we start, after another 10 years goes by?
Geologists say, based on the oil mining fields potential of the middle east and South America, it will be about 100 years before they mine all their oil. We need to act now.
Right now Obama is toying with Canada on whether or not he wants to put his stamp of approval on a Canadian pipeline that would link up with America. Because they would be using a process called sand oil mining, Obama may not approve this pipeline because environmentalists say its not been proven to be not polluting.
So, Obama is torn to say OK or side with his pals, the environmentalists. Canada is giving him until Nov. 1. If he hasn't decided by then, Canada is going to build that same pipeline west to the Pacific Ocean and link up with China who is waiting in the wings. If that happens, we will really see what it means to be dependent on foreign oil.
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Post by haus on Aug 17, 2011 20:51:42 GMT -5
Hmmm, who will build them? If the current big companies are selling or closing some to boost profits why would they invest in building new ones? What companies are large enough to begin construction of a project that will have minimal or no profits for that length of time? Should the government give grants and increase our deficit? Should the government actually go into the gasoline business and own its own refineries?
Fur and oil are way different. Individual trappers are responsible for flooding the market with fur. Large oil companies can simply slow or stop production to keep from having a huge surplus. Trappers may give away fur for nearly nothing due to over harvesting, oil companies will not. Should trappers and ranch fur farms actually work as a whole they could dictate price similar to OPEC, but they don't.
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Post by bluesman on Aug 17, 2011 22:24:40 GMT -5
oil companys and OPEC are not the same thing!
Doesn't matter anyway, the rigs have left the gulf, they're drilling off the coast of Egypt and elsewhere, China needs all the oil they can get. We can sit over here and boo hoo the mean ol suv driver's are destroying the planet all the while the rest of the world builds more factory's, sells more vehicles and use's more oil! I imagine the rest of the world one day will look like the U.S. did in the 50's and we'll look like little house on the prairie driving around in our horse and buggy's cause we were too stupid to use our resource's when we had the chance!
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Post by trapper7 on Aug 18, 2011 13:34:36 GMT -5
It makes good sense to cut out the middleman, Canada. Why shouldn't we give government grants or subsidies for something as important as oil? Obama has been going crazy with his stimulus packages to meaningless, no result efforts now. He sent millions to Brazil for oil exploration.
J is right. You'd better forget about learning Spanish in the future. Instead, learn Chinese.
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Post by haus on Aug 18, 2011 21:24:36 GMT -5
I do like sushi
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Post by bluesman on Aug 18, 2011 21:26:58 GMT -5
Sushi is japanese isn't it? lol
O would rather give ACORN 4 billion than do something productive with OUR money!
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Post by haus on Aug 20, 2011 20:04:38 GMT -5
Could be, means small roll or something.
I would rather see 4 billion go to Acorn than giving it to Afghanistan or Pakistan. At least the Acorn people will spend it here. Pakistan will just waste it on bullets and such to shoot back at us or pay off people to shut up about terrorists they are hiding.
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Post by trapper7 on Aug 22, 2011 14:53:15 GMT -5
IMO, the only thing sushi is good for is coon & mink bait.
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Post by japflapper on Aug 24, 2011 13:34:33 GMT -5
Maybe ACORN can use that money to find enough dead voter's to re elect their hero again this time!
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Post by trapper7 on Aug 24, 2011 15:43:56 GMT -5
Since the 70s when the environmentalists hypnotized congress with their propaganda, there have been no new refineries built. There have been more oil leases sold, but little or no permits to drill issued. A lease is different than a permit. A lease gives an oil company the right to occupy a piece of land. It takes a permit to allow them to drill. Under Obama many permits have been rescinded.
So, for anyone to say building more refineries or issuing more drilling permits won't have any effect on prices at the pump is only speculation and guessing. It hasn't been tried, so no one really knows. But, common sense would indicate that it would help to lower gas prices, put people back to work, and be a boost to the economy.
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Post by japflapper on Aug 24, 2011 15:59:57 GMT -5
But, common sense would indicate that it would help to lower gas prices, put people back to work, and be a boost to the economy.
Why would O want to do any of that? So far it's been one good crisis after the other through out his term, he's happy being a one termer as long as he gets most of the goofy democrat agenda put into place.
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Post by trapper7 on Aug 24, 2011 16:34:19 GMT -5
You're right. I forgot he doesn't have any common sense. Some people graduate from being an idiot to becoming a nitwit. He hasn't been able to do that yet.
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Post by haus on Aug 24, 2011 17:58:31 GMT -5
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