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Post by haus on Dec 8, 2011 20:32:02 GMT -5
Read an article this week that estimated the ongoing support to the afghani military and thier government after we leave, will be 120 billion per year. Is it worth it? With a couple lines of ink we could just stop immigration from terrorist nations and keep them over there. How much food aid did Saddam steal and use for himself. Afghanistan will be no different. We will have to go in and kill a corrupt dictator in 10-15 years. Why is a guy who goes to work each day building houses, mopping floors, or working as a police officer responsible for supporting the soldiers and their families of an afghanistan military?
We are going in debt everyday but we continue to borrow so we can give it away? The debt committee could not figure out how to save 1.2 trillion dollars over 10 years. Hello.... 10 years at 120 billion per year = 1.2 trillion. Pi** on afghanistan. Stop all support for Iraq too, they have oil. Make them pay us back for every dollar we spent there.
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Post by trapper7 on Dec 9, 2011 14:39:45 GMT -5
haus, I'm in total agreement with you regarding not allowing any immigration from any country that is hostile to the US. I also believe in racial profiling regardless of whose civil rights some of the nitwits in Washington thinks are being violated.
After 911 we needed to do something about Al-Qaedi or we'd be facing bigger problems down the road. Had we been more efficient with things like the Patriot Act, racial profiling, Clinton taking out binLaden when he was given the opportunity, 911 might have never happened. It's time to change all that. Let the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, etc have more latitude to do their job.
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Post by japflapper on Dec 11, 2011 14:43:14 GMT -5
Afghan's are use to force's showing up and staying for years, they're in no hurry about anything and know that soon as we leave the Taliban will take back over control of the country and things will go back to what they were before we were there.
I think we've done all the killing we can there for the time being, pull troops out, let the Taliban set up camps then take whole groups of them out at one time with drones or missiles. No sense anymore in having ground troops there and really no sense in proping up a corrupt government with money we don't have!
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Post by haus on Dec 13, 2011 20:23:03 GMT -5
Yep, we've extracted our pound of flesh. A child that was 6 years old when the war started is now old enough to pick up a gun and shoot at us.
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Post by japflapper on Dec 13, 2011 22:02:30 GMT -5
Well all bets are off IF Iran can actually jam our drones. Imagine if someone else could gain control of our own drones and use them to attack our troops. All our crap is computerized and the chinese are stealing all our technology left and right with the blessing of obuma and gang. Now the idiot begs them to give us back our drone, how stupid can one man be?
At any rate it doesn't matter anymore, we're BROKE! We can't afford to defend our own country much less worry with everyone else's.
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Post by trapper7 on Dec 15, 2011 12:46:24 GMT -5
Yeh, we're broke, but I see where Obama is sending financial aid to gays in countries that persecute or punish them for being homosexuals.
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Post by haus on Dec 15, 2011 23:00:11 GMT -5
We're broke but we can give poor people free cell phones. Why does a poor person need a cell phone? Can't they get a landline and use it to make calls. They don't really need to be texting from the laundrymat on the governments dime.
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Post by japflapper on Dec 18, 2011 20:58:18 GMT -5
Yea and O's ol lady can't wait two days to fly to Hawaii for their family vacation either, has to take air force 2 with her usual 200 guests family and friends! Then he fly's off on air force 1 two days later. Imagine that cost more than someone like me would pay in tax's in my lifetime!
How many C 130's loaded with secret service and vehicles has to fly out as well? But they want to lecture us on 'sacrafice'!
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Post by trapper7 on Dec 20, 2011 16:08:50 GMT -5
Amen to what both of you guys said.
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Post by haus on Dec 31, 2011 17:46:40 GMT -5
As for the drone and loss of technology, lets not forget we have had similar losses in the past:
On April 1, 2001, a mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E ARIES II signals intelligence aircraft and a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States and the People's Republic of China (PRC) called the Hainan Island incident.
On the groundFor 15 minutes after landing, the U.S. aircraft crew continued to destroy sensitive items and data on board the aircraft, as per Department of Defense protocol. They disembarked from the plane after soldiers looked through windows, pointed guns, and shouted through bullhorns. The Chinese offered them water and cigarettes. Kept under close guard, they were taken to a military barracks at Lingshui where they were interrogated for two nights before being moved to lodgings in Haikou, the provincial capital and largest city on the island. They were treated well in general, but were interrogated at all hours, and so suffered from lack of sleep. They found the Chinese food unpalatable as it included fish heads, but this later improved. Guards gave them decks of cards and an English-language newspaper. To pass the time and keep spirits up, Lts. Honeck and Vignery worked up humorous routines based on the television shows The People's Court, Saturday Night Live and The Crocodile Hunter. These were performed as they went to meals, the only time they were together. They gradually developed good relations with their guards, with one guard inquiring of them the lyrics for the song "Hotel California" by the Eagles.[23]
Three U.S. diplomats were sent to Hainan to meet the crew and assess their conditions, and to negotiate their release. They were first allowed to meet with the crew three days after the collision. U.S. officials complained at the slow pace of the Chinese decision.[24]
The 24 crew-members (21 men and three women[25]) were detained until April 11, shortly after the U.S. issued the "letter of the two sorries" to the Chinese. The Chinese military boarded the plane and thoroughly stripped and examined the aircraft's equipment. Reliable sources have speculated that the crew were only partially successful in their destruction of the on-board data and technology, although no official information has been released.[26]
[edit] Letter of the two sorries Wikisource has original text related to this article: Letter of the two sorries
The "Letter of the two sorries"[27] was the letter delivered by the United States Ambassador Joseph Prueher to Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan of the People's Republic of China to defuse the incident. The delivery of the letter led to the release of the U.S. crew from Chinese custody, as well as the eventual return of the disassembled plane.[18]
The letter stated that the United States was "very sorry" for the death of Chinese pilot Wang Wei, and "We are very sorry the entering of China's airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance..."[28]
The United States stated that it was "not a letter of apology," but "an expression of regret and sorrow"; some state-run Chinese media outlets characterized it as such at the time.[2] While China had originally asked for an apology, the US explained, "We did not do anything wrong, and therefore it was not possible to apologize."[29]
There was further debate over the exact meaning of the Chinese translation issued by the U.S. Embassy. A senior administration official was quoted as saying "What the Chinese will choose to characterize as an apology, we would probably choose to characterize as an expression of regret or sorrow."[30]
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Post by japflapper on Jan 4, 2012 23:56:44 GMT -5
Too bad we didn't have obama back then, he would of ran over there and kissed them on the azz, bowing the whole time of course.
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Post by haus on Jan 6, 2012 21:12:39 GMT -5
Too bad we didn't have obama back then, he would of ran over there and kissed them on the azz, bowing the whole time of course. We didn't exactly kick in their front door and tell them to give us our shLt back. The "Letter of the two sorries"[27] was the letter delivered by the United States Ambassador Joseph Prueher to Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan of the People's Republic of China to defuse the incident. The delivery of the letter led to the release of the U.S. crew from Chinese custody, as well as the eventual return of the disassembled plane.[18] The letter stated that the United States was "very sorry" for the death of Chinese pilot Wang Wei, and "We are very sorry the entering of China's airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance..."[28]
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