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Post by Sunshine on Aug 16, 2007 14:30:32 GMT -5
I have some deer meat cut in cubes for stew that unthawed partially when my freezer was acting up. It isnt rotten it was still partially froze, about a third of it was, but id be afraid to eat it.
Any suggestins on how i could turn this into Yote and/or fox bait easily?
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possumskinner
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Post by possumskinner on Aug 16, 2007 20:32:04 GMT -5
twerpette ... the easiest thing to do is taint it ... stabilize it with SB and then add a prepared bait solution
cubes should be approximately 1" x 1" ... let'em grey up good on the outside and nice and pinkish on the inside is what your lookin for
you up for more than that let me know ... ;D
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Post by huckleberry on Aug 27, 2007 18:22:27 GMT -5
Dobbins bait solution is a goodun for that..........so as Skinner said ...directions are on the package.
It can be used as is also. Or even fry some up and use it....critters aint that picky.....LOL
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Post by pegleg on Aug 28, 2007 8:10:59 GMT -5
Just make sure your state allows game animals to be used for bait. Most western states don't allow that, just something to think about.
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Post by Sunshine on Sept 1, 2007 13:09:31 GMT -5
ty pegleg..ill check that.
Huck..i aint cookin for a buncha dogs...least not the 4-legged ones.. ;D
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Post by coop on Sept 1, 2007 20:05:40 GMT -5
I don't think they'll be taking chunk bait to the forensic lab for testing, LOL. ;D
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Post by Sunshine on Sept 1, 2007 20:21:45 GMT -5
ya never know round here.
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Post by coop on Sept 1, 2007 20:25:50 GMT -5
peglegs probably right, laws the law. I think that the intent was to prevent killing game to use as bait, or whole deer carcasses being moved to use, etc.
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Post by Sunshine on Sept 1, 2007 23:07:22 GMT -5
ill check
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Post by possumskinner on Sept 3, 2007 8:04:45 GMT -5
yep better check on it
something might have changed but i was told recently you aren't even suppose to posess venison so many days after the end of deer season in west virginia??? that meaning even in your freezer etc.
crazy WV laws?
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Post by coop on Sept 3, 2007 19:31:15 GMT -5
PA used to have that same law, Possum. Another law that I assume is not inforced and generally ignored, sort of like illegal immigration.
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Post by Sunshine on Sept 4, 2007 6:39:11 GMT -5
we;; guess my warden will be out here lookin round lol
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Post by huckleberry on Sept 4, 2007 23:49:45 GMT -5
the use of any animal or parts of............is ilegal here.........if it can be seen........if ya bury it or use it in baits ya are fine...........reason being exposed baits will draw every bird of prey for miles around.........caint make any sets within 30 yards of exposed bait of any kind
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Post by tctrppr on Sept 5, 2007 2:12:25 GMT -5
No exposed animal parts or carcasses in WV. Covered or down a hole out of sight is OK. Can't trap within 50 yds. of a carcasse in WV. They're worried to death about catching raptors. The hawks are so thick around here that they've really put a dent in the muskrat and small game population.
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Post by Newt on Sept 5, 2007 6:52:14 GMT -5
I like apples,sweet potatoes,corn in that order for deer bait :-)
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Post by foxman13 on Sept 5, 2007 7:48:48 GMT -5
In VA the reason is as as Huck said.
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Post by coop on Sept 5, 2007 16:32:13 GMT -5
What I thought.
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Post by trappinone on Sept 5, 2007 20:34:08 GMT -5
No exposed animal parts or carcasses in WV. Covered or down a hole out of sight is OK. Can't trap within 50 yds. of a carcasse in WV. They're worried to death about catching raptors. The hawks are so thick around here that they've really put a dent in the muskrat and small game population. Muskrats are known for "nocturnal " movements , not saying they dont run during daylight hrs. But I wouldnt blame hawks for their demise.Hawks are daytime feeders not night time when the major populations of rats due their movements.
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Post by tctrppr on Sept 5, 2007 23:56:31 GMT -5
Trappinone,
I agree, for the most part. Around here though, the 'rat population is relatively small- the majority of the streams are small, very few sloughs, swamps, or marshes. ( no big feed beds-all their food comes off of the creekbank or out of some farmer's garden) On the small streams, I see muskrats moving in daylight, early morning and evening. I also see hawks perched in trees along the streams. The hawks are primarily there for fish and other animals that come to the streams for water, but they certainly won't turn down a straggler muskrat that's out during the daylight. One fertile female killed by a hawk or owl = six or seven kits never born. When you have a relatively small population to begin with, as we do here, it doesn't take as much to skew the breeding ratio and change the population numbers. Owls are protected too, and they are nocturnal feeders, just like the 'rats are. I've seen great horned owls swoop and scoop 'rats off of streams many times, during the twilight hours. Bottom line, around here, since raptors have been protected, and their numbers are up, the small game population numbers have dropped accordingly. (squirrels, rabbits, muskrats, gamebirds).
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Post by huckleberry on Sept 6, 2007 10:22:48 GMT -5
TC seems to be havin the same problem we are here........some places I can't trap because of the raptors.....ya catch anything and they beat me to it. And releasing a big ole owl or hawk is NO fun I'll tell ya.
Owls here play havoc with the rats........I found at times as many as 10-20 left overs from the bloomin things in ceratin areas. One island I used to trap is nothing but hawks and owls and falcons anymore. Even a few eagles during the winter.
Some farmers tell me straight up.....yeah ya can trap and hunt my place....as long as ya kill every damned hawk ya can. Course I can't and won't do that........but that gives ya an idea how bad they are in places around these parts.
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Post by tctrppr on Sept 7, 2007 0:01:24 GMT -5
Farmers around here in years past, especially farmers that raised poultry, used to set coilsprings on top of fenceposts and poles, just to catch hawks and owls when they lit on the posts to roost. Then the farmer would dispatch the hawk or owl at his convenience. 30-40 years ago, all the farmers considered raptors vermin, and killed them on sight, at any opportunity, by any means. Hardly anyone around here raises poultry anymore, though. Sign of the times, I guess.
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Post by trappinone on Sept 8, 2007 19:26:08 GMT -5
Trappinone, I agree, for the most part. Around here though, the 'rat population is relatively small- the majority of the streams are small, very few sloughs, swamps, or marshes. ( no big feed beds-all their food comes off of the creekbank or out of some farmer's garden) On the small streams, I see muskrats moving in daylight, early morning and evening. I also see hawks perched in trees along the streams. The hawks are primarily there for fish and other animals that come to the streams for water, but they certainly won't turn down a straggler muskrat that's out during the daylight. One fertile female killed by a hawk or owl = six or seven kits never born. When you have a relatively small population to begin with, as we do here, it doesn't take as much to skew the breeding ratio and change the population numbers. Owls are protected too, and they are nocturnal feeders, just like the 'rats are. I've seen great horned owls swoop and scoop 'rats off of streams many times, during the twilight hours. Bottom line, around here, since raptors have been protected, and their numbers are up, the small game population numbers have dropped accordingly. (squirrels, rabbits, muskrats, gamebirds). What kind of hawks are there for the fish?.Id like to see that..Are they osprey?.Birds of prey have been protected all over.My state included..Old wives tales seem to keep going on and on and on..Try loss of habitat..When prey species dwindle so do predators..( but you say that isnt so , )So on and so forth..Thats the bottom line.. ;D ;D ;D Peaks and valleys.
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Post by trappinone on Sept 8, 2007 19:31:25 GMT -5
Farmers around here in years past, especially farmers that raised poultry, used to set coilsprings on top of fenceposts and poles, just to catch hawks and owls when they lit on the posts to roost. Then the farmer would dispatch the hawk or owl at his convenience. 30-40 years ago, all the farmers considered raptors vermin, and killed them on sight, at any opportunity, by any means. Hardly anyone around here raises poultry anymore, though. Sign of the times, I guess. Shouldnt had been that hard considering what pesticides were in use at the time( 30-40 yrs ago) in farming practices.Made the egg shells soft..DDT was it?.
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Post by Sunshine on Sept 24, 2007 2:04:40 GMT -5
cant you guys do anything but argue?
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Post by Earl8656 on Sept 24, 2007 3:48:14 GMT -5
when the rat population was thick around here sometimes we would check 2x a day. I remember this one line my partner and i set one morning , about 50 traps, we caught 75 rats the first day. We set em, checked em on the way back to the truck, checked em that evening and the next morning. Rats do move in the daytime.
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Post by cajunbill2 on Sept 24, 2007 9:56:01 GMT -5
earl is right...about them rats
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Post by Sunshine on Sept 27, 2007 1:16:12 GMT -5
i saw ne not long ago in broad daylight swimming. it had some type of grass in its mouth.
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Post by cajunbill2 on Sept 27, 2007 10:36:03 GMT -5
lol...what all this got to do with deer for bait...lol
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Post by tctrppr on Sept 27, 2007 12:27:20 GMT -5
Guess I'm guilty of de-railing this one, talking about exposed bait and raptors..............ooooooooooooooooops
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