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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 20:32:04 GMT -5
I'm enjoying this. Here is a boring cat toilet around here. I'm just about to set a soft catch on it. On this set I used three different traps in a area 60 feet long. Over 10 days, the three traps caught 5 cats and 2 coyotes, then I pulled them. I still had cats using the toilet, but I had taken all I wanted to take at this set location.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 20:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 20:42:16 GMT -5
Fresh from the last pic under the rim.--- nice looking toilet Bill I never see them out on the flat like that
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 20:52:47 GMT -5
I had at least two toilets last year that had over 100 droppings in each one and were 200-300 yards long. People don't think about what they would do if they were a cat. If you put yourself in the cats paws, lol, and you start thinking like a cat, things become a lot clearer. One of the other things I didn't add earlier when I was talking about the cats didn't want anything noisy under their feet or anything touching their faces, they also don't want anything tickling their butts when they are doing their daily business. One of the other things that people don't stop to think about when they find a toilet, it isn't used by just one cat and the cat that is using it, doesn't use it each day, but rather every 4th, 5th or sometimes 10th day, depending on what the cats range is.
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 20:55:55 GMT -5
Here is a good tip for you when it comes to finding open toilets in your country. Look in the mornings, the pack rats and other rats carry off most of the droppings each day. I guess they are trying to get their chit together. LOL Watch the two tracks you are driving on and especially around where you are going through gates.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 20:59:03 GMT -5
Bill I wonder how old some of these toilets are some of the scat is almost like rocks. I have found some that must be used for years, Large ones like you say.
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 21:11:35 GMT -5
In the winter here it is legal to keep fur bearers alive in cages during the fur season. I keep bobcats and collect urine and their droppings. Depending on what the cat eats the night before it puts down a deposit in one of my pens, the droppings can be jet black (lean meat) to bone white in the morning. In areas where the rats don't carry off the droppings they will be around there for years. I personally think that some of the toilets are right on the boundaries between two different clans of bobcats. They use as a scent area to mark their boundary. Much like dogs wee, wee on a post or rock in your yard at the house. I have watched male bobcats spray everything they walk by when marking their area in November while I was archery deer hunting. When I'm setting up a toilet I normally bring my own cat droppings and use them at each set. I think this upsets the males more than the females. There is one area down in NM that has droppings from at least three years. They have a term for a heavy rain in the mountains of NM, they call it a turd floater. I think that cleans up a lot of old toilets. Around here we have a lot of bacteria that will break down the droppings in time, but it is too dry and conditions aren't right in your country to decay the droppings.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 21:20:33 GMT -5
We cant keep our cat at all but I try to pick up droppings from one toilet and move them to another spot ,trying to do like you say .I dont know if it make those old toms upset or not just somthing that i do to try nand make my set a little better.
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 21:37:23 GMT -5
There are some droppings that are kind of green in color, I have them here and I see them in NM. Those work the best for some reason. I have tried most colors. Also the jet black ones are really attractive to other cats, maybe because they know the cats that left them was eating just lean meat. Maybe they have a different odor. I always dribble cat urine on the droppings to reactivate them. For me I'm using leg hold traps and I need the cats to come to my droppings instead of all of the others that are already at the site. In the winter the cats need a lot of water to drink. You can't believe how much water my cats will drink in the mornings. If they can't find water they will eat green grass and get moisture out of the grass. They also get moisture from meat they eat. I'm guessing some of the rodents don't have much moisture in them. The grass also helps them clean out their digestive track or even get rid of hairballs. I also think that sometimes when you take most of the droppings in a area and place them closer together, the visual effect will challenged the cats curiosity.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 21:45:39 GMT -5
That is some good info Bill got me to thinking about water in the morning I think I can put that to work HMMM
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 21:49:33 GMT -5
Deerhunter I wasnt ignoring your post I just looked back and saw it I never looked where you said ,but I will next time .thanks for replying
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 21:52:14 GMT -5
I'm sure the cats drink at night, but in the pens I only give them water during the daylight. In the evenings I remove their water or they will spill it to use their water bowl to cover any food they have left and I want pure urine, not watered down stuff. I will say that none of the cats I have kept would toilet during the daytime. I don't know why, they just don't. Dams at water holes are also a good spot for toilets, also check the drainage just below the dam.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 21:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 21:59:28 GMT -5
You must have thousands of live traps.....lol
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 22:00:43 GMT -5
Bill there is another toilet under that big bolder in the pic
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 22:02:18 GMT -5
Ouch that still hurts, not another one
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 22:03:00 GMT -5
I wish LOL really wish I could use iron like you !!
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 22:06:17 GMT -5
I'm glad we can still use it. I am wanting to get into more cage trapping though. It will open a lot of new places, where there are pets (without broken tails), bird hunters and places where there are kids. It would shock you how many cats I catch at farm houses where people are living.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 22:13:28 GMT -5
IT is a learning curve for me LOL I still believe the double door trap will work better in some locations .The single door trap works good too.There is alot of good ideas out there .IM trying alot of different things to see what works for me .I should say what works for the kids ,they claim every cat and fox LOL
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 22:17:40 GMT -5
If I had kids I would let them claim everything. That's great. I uses a lot of boxes with 220's to catch cats and that has to be a lot like using live traps. There are a lot of tricks to making the boxes work. I've been at it long enough to have worked out some of the wrinkles out of the process.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 22:24:05 GMT -5
Bill I have 9 grand children and another one on the way .I had better get this cage thing worked out they think that each one should make big catch # like you guys gonna be hard on me !!!!!
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 22:28:06 GMT -5
Let me give you one more tip. Use it if you want, but remember it well. When you have a trail that the cat is walking down, set your live trap perpendicular to the trail with the door on the edge of the trail, so all the cat has to do to enter is just turn it's head and take a step..............
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Post by sixbits on Jul 28, 2007 22:36:42 GMT -5
Thanks I will not forget and I will use this info!!!!
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Post by bill1306 on Jul 28, 2007 22:40:42 GMT -5
I hope it helps you and your grand children. Cats are my favorite thing to catch. They are all different and they are all beautiful.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 29, 2007 7:28:43 GMT -5
I didnt like this location but the kids wanted to set this up. I guess they learned something LOL[im g][/img]
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Post by sixbits on Jul 29, 2007 7:33:40 GMT -5
note all the other cat tracks around the trap .I wish this cat hadnt Ben caught on the last day they could trap . I am sure they would have caught more cats!!!
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Post by deerhunter65347 on Jul 29, 2007 13:05:42 GMT -5
Now Bill 1306 has just let us all in the mind of a great cat trapper. Sixbits between you and bill i cant say who would be the best. But each of you trap a differnt way. This is one of the best discusions on cats ive ever read. To see the cage trapper and a steel trapper discuss the cuts rely opens up alot of information for the new cat trappers you both deserve a big hand for those post. A big thanks from DH
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Post by sixbits on Jul 29, 2007 13:35:55 GMT -5
DH Thanks for saying what you did . Bill is alot better trapper than me !! I just like to take the kids out and have a good time . I like you learned alot from Bill just had to get him to spill the beans to the rest of us .------ thanks BILL great posting!!!!!!
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Post by sixbits on Jul 29, 2007 15:34:17 GMT -5
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Post by sixbits on Jul 29, 2007 15:36:00 GMT -5
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